Doug Casey on His Favorite Place in the World

If you’re interested in international diversification, you’ve likely taken the time to think about where your favorite place in the world is.

If there’s one person’s opinion on this subject that’s worth hearing, it’s Doug Casey’s. Doug is a friend and mentor, so naturally I’m a little biased. But even if I didn’t know Doug personally, I would honestly say the same thing.

Having been to over 170 countries, Doug is by far the most well-traveled person whom I know. But it’s not just a contest of how many countries a person has been to. Doug’s unique and historically informed point of view is what really sets him apart.

Doug, of course, has thought long and hard about his favorite place in the world. He concluded that for him it’s Argentina, the location of La Estancia de Cafayate, Doug’s sporting and lifestyle estate in beautiful Salta Province.

Which naturally gives rise to the question, “Why, of all places in the world Doug could have built his vision of a freedom-lover’s paradise, did he and his partners choose a remote pueblo in Argentina, a country with a famously dysfunctional government and which is once again in the news for thumbing its nose at the international financial community?”

To provide the answers, I got in touch with Doug for an interview, which you’ll find below.

While the average person might instinctively (and ignorantly) dismiss Argentina off the bat, I’d suggest you listen to what Doug has to say about it.

Here are a couple more facts about La Estancia de Cafayate:

  • Owners are from 33 countries
  • There are 50 completed houses with another 15 in the construction process
  • The property has zero debt against it
  • Most of the lots have been sold
  • All the primary infrastructure is built
  • 70 hectares of grapes producing enough juice to make 200,000 bottles of wine a year
  • The 18-hole golf course was finished five years ago and is rated one of the top ten in Argentina—not bad for a new course in a country with more golf courses than the rest of South America combined
  • The Athletic Club and Spa is, hands down, the best in Argentina and one of the best in South America
  • The five-Star Grace Hotel and Villas, developed in conjunction with a Greek billionaire, is open, featuring a gourmet restaurant right on the property
  • There’s tennis, bocce, squash, indoor resistance pools, extensive horse facilities (including a 17 km trail on the property, polo, a wonderful clubhouse with great food, and much more)
  • And all of it situated a few minutes from what is almost certainly the most charming small town in Argentina, which really is how you would imagine Napa Valley to have been 75 years ago.

I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention that I’ll be joining Doug this November 7-12 for Doug Casey’s Estancia Experience, a unique opportunity to experience life at La Estancia de Cafayate. There will also be plenty of actionable information in a more personalized setting that I will be providing there on opening foreign financial accounts, obtaining a second passport, Puerto Rico’s tax incentives, and much more.

Space is extremely limited. For an itinerary and more information, email Chris Leverich today at Experience@LaEst.com.

Until next time,

Nick Giambruno, Senior Editor
InternationalMan.com


Nick Giambruno: Let’s start with the big question. Why, of all the places in the world you could have selected to build your vision of a freedom lover's paradise, did you choose Argentina?

Doug Casey: For some time now, I have stressed the importance of diversifying internationally. I wanted to diversify outside of the United States, because although every country in the world is headed in the wrong direction, at this point in time the US is heading there more quickly and with far more serious consequences, especially for me as a US citizen. So, I have spent a lot of time looking all around the world—and I’ve been to over 170 countries—in what was basically a process of elimination.

I ruled out Africa, which is where I would go if I were 30 years younger and I wanted to make a bunch of money. But as a lifestyle choice, it’s a non-starter.

I ruled out most of Europe, though there are still some interesting places there, because it’s likely to be on the front lines of what may resemble WWIII, as well as the unfolding conflict with Islam. Plus, it’s overtaxed, overregulated, completely corrupt, and the population has an extremely socialistic mindset. Further, all the European countries are members of organizations such as NATO, OECD, and the EU, which carry the potential to drag them into every fresh crisis that arises in that historically troubled region, the current dust-up with Russia being a good example.

I’m a big fan of Southeast Asia. The problem is that the region is full of people, which is fine if you want to live in a city, but I also like wide open spaces. And if you aren’t a Thai or a Chinese, they will never truly accept you into their society. They may treat you as an honored guest, but more likely as a white ghost; you’ll never truly integrate. That isn’t always a bad thing, but I like to at least have the option.

So that brings us to Latin America. I ruled out Central America because frankly, it has no class… the land of the Frito Bandito and all that. While I’ve been to every country in Latin America numerous times and I could talk about all of them at length, but by process of elimination, it basically boiled down to Argentina.

Of course Argentina has problems, but regardless of the tremendously bad press its current government gets, it has less problems than any other place I can think of, and far more advantages.

Nick: Since you mention the government, there’s no question the Argentine political class skews socialist. How does that impact you on a daily basis?

Doug: Not very much at all, because you have to remember that Argentina is the eighth-largest country in the world but has a population of only 41 million people, most of them concentrated in and around Buenos Aires.

So once you’re out of the capital, it’s truly wide-open spaces. When people are widely dispersed, it tends to be much more relaxed, almost an old West kind of kind of atmosphere. So that’s point number one.

Point two is that, although it’s true that everybody who goes into the government in Argentina—just as in the United States or Europe or anywhere—has a very statist and collectivist mindset, of all the countries in Latin America, Argentina has by far the strongest libertarian or classical liberal tradition. There isn’t even a second-place contender when it comes to that. It’s a very sophisticated, well-educated, outward-looking country.

So while it’s true that politically the country has been captured by Peronism and populism, the basic culture is far superior to any other place in Latin America. And frankly, the government doesn’t bother me, at all, when I’m there. I’m viewed as a valuable foreign investor, which is quite different from the way I’m treated in the United States: as a milk cow on the way to becoming a beef cow.

Look, every country in the world has its problems, but from the point of view of living there, Argentina actually has less of them. In addition, from a cultural point of view, it’s one of the most desirable places in the world.

Nick: You’ve written a lot about the coming Greater Depression—which, from where we sit, seems to be approaching like a slow-motion avalanche. In that scenario, how does a place like Cafayate rate as a bolt hole?

Doug: Well, that’s one of the fundamental reasons why I zeroed in on Cafayate.

Put it this way. When I’m in the US, I live in Aspen, Colorado, and everybody in Aspen is looking for the next Aspen because the house prices are $5, $10, $15 million, or more. But although everyone is looking for the next Aspen, the next Aspen doesn’t exist in the US, or even in North America. Even taking the whole world into account, there are just a handful of candidates, and it turns out that Cafayate is one of those.

For starters, although it has its own jet airport, it’s in a very isolated part of Argentina, sited in a stunning valley surrounded by mountains, with not much of anything there other than the town of Cafayate. And that is surrounded by thousands and thousands of acres of vineyards. Of course, wherever wine grapes grow, generally the climate is perfect, and people love it.

So we have this little town of 10,000 people, a tourist town, a wine town like a young Napa Valley—it’s ideal for pleasurable living. But to expand on your question, on a macro scale, Argentina isn’t involved in any entangling foreign alliances or conflicts. This is also a very important plus.

Well, there is the problem with the Falklands, but there’s nothing the government can do about it because the average Argentine despises both the Army and the police. This is a very good thing compared to, say, a country like Chile where they actually love their army and police, which I don’t find a good thing at all.

I’ll illustrate the point by relating that the Argentines had a destroyer, and three years ago that destroyer actually sank at its moorings at the dock and keeled over 45° from lack of maintenance. That’s how competent the Argentine military is at this point.

So Argentina isn’t going to get involved in any conflicts, either with its nearby neighbors or countries further afield, and I like that.

Nick: What about the state of the Argentine economy?

Doug: The economy is a disaster, but in the past, investing in countries where the economy is the dumps has treated me very well. I like bargains. It’s a huge plus for those with foreign currencies.

For example, when I moved to Spain, not so long after Franco left, the economy was a disaster, and things were very cheap. Then it boomed, so I was effectively paid for living there.

When I moved to Hong Kong, it was considered an extremely risky place because the Chinese were about to take over. I bought an apartment that I later sold for over 20 times what I paid for it. That was only possible because people were fearful then. It’s precisely why I wouldn’t buy in London, New York, or Sydney today—people are optimistic, and prices are insane.

Negative attitudes ruled when I moved to New Zealand; it was becoming the shallow end of the gene pool where anybody with half a brain and the money for airfare had left for Sydney or London or Los Angeles. But since I moved there, the currency has gone up two and a half times and the price of property within that currency has gone up another four times, more or less. Time to move on...

You’ve got to buy when things are cheap, and of all the countries in the world I look at, right now Argentina is the best bargain. By far. And that’s just one reason I’ve moved to Argentina. It isn’t a risky place to go; it’s actually a very low-risk place to go for that reason.

Nick: Few people have wandered the globe as much as you have over the years. Is there something about the Latin culture, or more specifically the culture of Argentina, you find more appealing than other places people might look at as potential expatriate destinations?

Doug: Well, it’s an immigrant culture, which I find a very positive thing. The Argentines have a saying that “The Mexicans came from the Aztecs, the Guatemalans came from the Mayans, and the Peruvians came from the Incas, but we come from the boats.”

That reflects the fact it is actually the most European society in the world today. Argentines don’t view themselves as being Latin—they view themselves as being Europeans. Another saying which is worth repeating is that an Argentine is an Italian who speaks Spanish but thinks he’s British.

Most of the Argentineans are of one of those nationalities, plus German and Irish and many others. So, like only a few other places in the word, most notably the US, it’s an immigrant culture.

It’s also a very well-educated society, unlike a lot of other countries in Latin America or Asia where the average person is unsophisticated, unknowledgeable, and burdened with a peasant mentality. Not so with the average Argentine. It is a very outward-looking and well-educated society, far more than any other place in Latin America. And perhaps with the exception of Panama, which is almost a US colony at this point, in Argentina a surprising number of people speak two or three languages, a sign of a general level of cultural sophistication.

And there is no other city in Latin America that compares to Buenos Aires. I love BA, though I don’t spend much of my time there.

Nick: What do you love most about Argentina?

Doug: For me, it’s the personal freedom.

Of course, with my middle-class values, I appreciate the really low-cost living in Argentina, but what I really love is that nobody bothers me. There is a very limited and non-threatening police presence, and outside of the bad parts—which every big city has—of Buenos Aires, a very peaceful country.

On a more personal level, I love that I can get up in the morning in Cafayate and work out in the Athletic Club for an hour, followed by an hour-long massage for $25, then maybe ride my horse for a while before doing some business on the Internet.

In the evening, I might decide to wander over to the Grace Hotel for a drink and to smoke a cigar in the cigar bar there. Then maybe play a game of poker with some of the gang.

So the lifestyle there is perfect. And I speak as somebody who spends a lot of time in Aspen, which is supposed to have the best lifestyle in the world. But I find Cafayate a huge improvement. Several of my friends from Aspen have actually made the move.

Where will YOU be this November 7-12?

This is your invitation to Doug Casey’s Estancia Experience, a truly unique, weeklong opportunity to enjoy the best life has to offer at La Estancia de Cafayate, Doug Casey’s lifestyle and sporting estate in the remote wine country of Northwest Argentina.

In addition to a week filled with exciting social events, including cocktail parties at the new Grace Hotel, horseback riding adventures, golf, tennis, luxuriating at the Athletic Club and Spa, dining out on Cafayate’s scenic plaza, and generally enjoying springtime in Argentina…

… Terry Coxon (of The Casey Report and Passport Financial), Nick Giambruno (International Man), and other experts in internationalization will be on hand throughout the event to provide one-on-one consultations on everything from setting up international financial accounts to second passport programs and capturing the tax advantages of Puerto Rico.

The only way to fully appreciate the opportunities in Argentina and what’s going on at La Estancia de Cafayate is to visit in person. It will be an experience you will remember the rest of your life.

Space is extremely limited. For an itinerary and more information, email Chris Leverich today at Experience@LaEst.com.

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