The Greatest Threat to Gold Ownership
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- Category: Global Perspectives
- Published on Monday, 19 September 2011 15:31
- Written by Jeff Thomas
If you hold precious metals in your portfolio, there is a good chance you fear hyperinflation and the crash of fiat currencies.
You probably distrust governments in general and believe they are self-serving and have no interest in your economic well-being. It is likely your holdings in gold are your lifeline; your hope to get you through these times while holding on to your wealth.
But have you ever given it any thought to the possibility of having this lifeline confiscated by the authorities?
In my conversations with friends and associates, I have often raised this question. The typical responses:
“They’d never do that.”
“I’ll deal with that if and when it happens.”
“I just wouldn’t give it to them.”
I consider these wishful thinking responses.
It’s an interesting thought that the greatest threat to gold and silver investment might not be the possibility of losing on the speculation, but the government taking it away from you. It’s a thought that I’ve found few want to even think about, let alone discuss.
If you fall into this camp, you’re in good company. Some of those forecasters whom I respect most highly also treat it either as “unlikely” or, at best, “something we may need to look at in the future.” To date, in conversing with top advisors worldwide, the two primary reasons they believe gold will not be confiscated:
- “Confiscation would mean the government acknowledges the reality of the value of gold.”
Yes, this is quite so. They would be changing their official view… which, of course, they do all the time. But I submit that all that they need to do is put the proper spin on it. - “They would meet greater resistance than they did back in ’33.”
I expect that this is also true, but that a plan will be put in place to deal with that resistance.
We’ll address both of these assertions in more detail shortly, but first, a bit of history.
In 1933, Franklin Roosevelt came into office and immediately created the Emergency Banking Act, which demanded that all those who held gold (other than personal jewelry) turn it in to approved banks. Holders were given less than a month to do this. The Government then paid them $20.67 per ounce – the going rate at the time. Following confiscation, the Government declared that the new value of gold was $35.00. In essence, they arbitrarily increased the value of their newly-purchased asset by 69%. (This is enough reason alone to confiscate.)
Today, the US Government is in much worse shape than it was in 1933 and they have much more to lose. The US dollar is the default currency of the world, but it’s one that’s on the ropes, which means the US economic power over the rest of the world is on the ropes.
I think that readers will agree that they will do anything to keep from losing this all-important power.
The US has essentially run out of options. At some point, the fiat currencies of the First World will collapse and some other form of payment will be necessary. Yes, the IMF is hoping to create a new default currency, but that, too, is to be a fiat currency. If any country were to produce a gold-backed currency in sufficient supply, that currency would likely become the desired currency worldwide. Fractional backing would be expected.
As most readers will know, the Chinese, Indians, Russians and others see the opportunity and are building up their gold reserves quickly and substantially. If these countries were to agree to introduce a new gold-backed currency, there can be little doubt that they would succeed in changing the balance of world trade.
That said, the US Government is watching these countries just as we are and they are aware of the threat of gold to them.
The US ostensibly has approximately 8,200 tonnes of gold in Fort Knox, although this may well be partially or completely missing. Additionally, they ostensibly hold a further 5000 tonnes of gold in the cellar of the New York Federal Reserve Building. Again, there is no certainty that it is there. In general, the authorities don’t seem to like independent audits.
In fact, there are rumours that the above vaults are nearly or completely empty and that the above quoted figures exist only on paper rather than in physical form. While there is no way to know this for sure, it’s not out of the question.
Either way, if the US and the EU could come up with a large volume of gold quickly, they could issue a gold-backed currency themselves. It’s a simple equation: The more gold they have = the more backed notes they can produce = the more power they continue to hold. By seizing upon the private supply of their citizens, they would increase their holdings substantially in short order.
Either that or they could just give up their dominance of world trade and power… What would you guess their choice would be?
It is entirely possible that the US Government (and very likely the EU) have already made a decision to confiscate. They may have carefully laid out the plan and have set implementation to coincide with a specific gold price.
So, how would this unfold? Let’s imagine a fairly extreme scenario and ask ourselves if it could be pulled off effectively:
- The evening news programmes announce that the economic recovery is being hampered by wealthy private investors who, by hoarding gold, are skewing the value of the dollar and threatening the middle and poorer classes. The little man is being made to suffer while the rich get richer. A press campaign to equate gold ownership with greed ensues.
- The Government announces the Second Emergency Banking Act, advising the public that, “the first EBA was instituted by FDR to solve this same problem during the Great Depression. This act was instrumental in helping the little man ‘recover’.” (As the average man on the street doesn’t know his history or how wrong this statement is, he’ll believe it. Besides, the announcement has a “feel good” message and that’s all that matters.)
- Possessors of gold, who make up a small minority of the population, would become pariahs. It won’t matter that the guy who owns two gold Maple Leafs is not exactly a greedy, rich man. No one will wish to be seen to resist confiscation. Neither will they wish to go to prison for resisting, no matter how remote the possibility.
- The US pays for the gold – in US dollars, which are rapidly headed south. Yes, the Fed will need to print more fiat dollars in order to pay them off but this suits their purpose, as it inflates the dollar even more. Those who have turned in their gold will do whatever they can to unload the US dollars as quickly as possible and will need to find another investment at a time when there are very few trustworthy investments other than gold. The stock market would likely rise, showing the public how the gold confiscation program is “working”.
- One last scary possibility: The Government demands that gold is turned immediately and that settlement will occur following confiscation. After confiscation, they announce that, as there have been such a large number of cases of rich people ripping off the little man, processing them all could take months, possibly even a year or more. A further announcement states that some investors have made an unreasonable profit on the backs of the poor and that they should not be granted this profit. This profit must be returned to the people. (You can almost hear the cheers of the people.) Then they set about making assessments. They find that most investors do not have formal, acceptable receipts for every coin in their possession. So, if you paid $1200 for a Krugerrand a couple of years ago, you get paid $1200. If you bought it at $250 in 1999, you get paid $250. But if you have no receipt in an acceptable form, you get a “fair” median payment, say, $500, regardless of when you bought it.
- Appeals: Each investor will be allowed up to one year to appeal the decision of the Treasury as to what is owed him. Of course, the investor knows that the dollar is sinking rapidly and he would be wise to shut up and take what he is being offered.
Again, this hypothetical scenario is an extreme one. The reader is left to consider just how likely or unlikely this scenario is and what that would mean to his wealth.
But bear this in mind: If the above scenario were to take place soon, the average citizen would have mixed feelings. They would be glad that the evil rich had been taken down a peg, but they would worry about the idea of Government taking things by force because they might be next. It would therefore be in the Government’s interests to implement confiscation only after the coming panic sets in – after the next crash in the market, after it becomes plain to the average citizen that this really is a depression and he really is in big trouble. Then he will be only too glad to see the “greedy rich” go down, and he won’t care about the details.
As terrible as the thought is, it seems unlikely to me that the government will not confiscate gold, as they have little to lose and so much to gain.
Those who own gold would prefer to think that this cannot happen, but they have quite a lot riding on that hope and precious little evidence to support it.
To my knowledge, this is the first article that directly outlines the worst case scenario. It is entirely possible that this scenario will not take place, just as it is possible that confiscation will not take place. The purpose of this article is to hopefully spark some serious discussion – both for and against the possibility.
Investors are, by their very nature, planners. It may take a community of investors to develop a legal plan to deal with the above eventuality. Time to get started.
Editor’s Note: If you want to read more about Jeff’s comments on gold confiscation, you’ll likely enjoy his article, Congressmen Discuss Gold Confiscation.
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jim
Posted at 2011-09-20 03:05:29
what you fail to consider is that most Asian countries have a very free market of gold shops. Here in Thailand there have been thousands of gold shops for as long as I can remember (25 years) operating daily with no sign of slowing down. What would this theoretical confiscation by US or western countries mean to the long established accumulation of gold by Asians?
As a side note....almost all gold shops here in Thailand are owned by Chinese descendents.
Posted at 2011-09-20 04:09:24
What Gold Coins?? Where are they? What proof do you {the I.R.S. and/or any other agents of the Federal/State/Local Governments} have that I have EVER bought or acquired any Gold or Silver Coins?
Even if they performed one of
their well-publicized Illegal, Gestapo type of Raids, with their AR-15 Automatic Rifles & Dogs that are trained to Smell Gold & Silver Coins, they would find NOTHING in my home Nor in my place of Business Nor in any of my Cars Nor in my Garage nor in my Second Survival Home Nor in any of the surrounding grounds!!
A Real 'Gold-Bug' plans on their Government(s) Illegal Actions of Confiscation, WAY before the times get Bad enough for the Governments to possibly execute their possible confiscations!
In my case, there have NEVER been any paper-trails nor any type of Receipts of purchases! ALL my purchases were ALWAYS done with Cash! NO ONE but me knows where my Fireproof & Water Proof safe, that holds all my Gold & Silver Coins, is Buried and hidden! And NO OTHER Person alive knows, or even thinks, I own any Gold & Silver coins!
So, again I say, If for some reason I was raided and searched, I & my Family would reply "What Gold or Silver Coins?!?
ccc
Posted at 2012-01-05 04:26:33
NO ONE but me knows where my Fireproof & Water Proof safe, that holds all my Gold & Silver Coins, is Buried and hidden! And NO OTHER Person alive knows, or even thinks, I own any Gold & Silver coins!
So if something happens to you.. you're poor family is up the creek without a paddle. Yep, You've thought of every thing. LOL!

honestann
Posted at 2011-09-20 10:01:45
The instant they announce gold confiscation, do two things. First, make sure your gold is hidden/burried where no way, no how could anyone find it. Second, with every penny you can beg, borrow or steal, buy physical silver, platinum, palladium, rhodium or any other during material.

Chris Lock
Posted at 2011-09-20 15:23:31
Gold confiscation in the US would be theft rather than confiscation. Gold now has no link to the US currency making the situation completely different from 1933. Gold now is just something that people own privately since 1971. The government could only, as I see it, confiscate gold in the same way it confiscated steel in the Second World War -- for national security. I see that as possible, but you need to galvanize public support of close to 100% to do that.
Too many people have gold and silver, as collectibles too; and now the gov't regards gold as nothing more than a collectible. Again, how does it confiscate collectibles? They could just decree gold's value at 50% face value at the time, arguing rich investors bought it a lot cheaper -- and so they can make some money on it. That way people and the gov't would know readily what price to pay and receive for any gold bullion or coin out there. Problem with that is, then they do not have the backing for their foreign debts which gold currently just manages to provide at its high price. Halve gold’s price and you double the problem of reassuring foreign govts that you can repay their debts; and that is the cause of the whole problem in the first place. So why would they do that?
There's no way they'd get the Chinese, Japanese, Indian, or Thai gold or that of many other countries where such a call-in would be completely unworkable and untraceable. So US & EU folk would probably take their gold elsewhere. A new thriving black market business could erupt for the rich: a new era of exotic cruising: "anyone want a two-day trip on my yacht to an exotic "golden" country price just two (1oz) gold coins?" Not me Mr. Taxman. I don’t have a yacht and I’m not American.
Also I do not think the new currency will be an American one, so why confiscate US gold? In addition some of the super rich who see the legal levers pulled in the US are Americans and have their fortunes in gold and silver. Is theirs going to be confiscated too? Not likely. Will they hand theirs over? Not on your life. So how would they enforce everyone to do so?
America is no longer an isolated country like it was in 1933. We live in a complex global market that is impossible to control completely, and anyone can communicate and travel to any part of the world in comparative ease now.
If there were to be confiscation then my guess is it would be just for those countries that will contribute to the basket of finance or currencies that will make up the backers and distributors of the new international currency to replace the US$ as the reserve currency. The only question is what price they would buy people’s gold at. It would have to be a simple system that everyone could readily understand and perform relatively swiftly if it’s right across the country. The US may have enough gold to do its part in such a scheme already without confiscation/buying; after all it is no longer going to be top financial dog. It has more gold reserves, ostensibly, than any other new currency participant country so could easily play its part. Why create doubt about that amount by mandating a confiscation of US gold?
Chris Lock
Posted at 2011-09-20 15:40:26
Please ignore my second paragraph in above posting. They'd confiscate at full price and then revalue gold at twice that price or something similar. It would still be best to have gold.

not funny
Posted at 2011-09-21 05:12:09
Lets get some perspective on BIG numbers to see what a gold confiscation can achieve for the US govt.
16 Trillion - EU economy economy - gdp.
15 Trillion - US economy (which incidentally is also our debt situation)
6T - China
1.5T China's holding of US t-bills!
1.4T - India ).
Even if the govt hits a 100% confiscation rate it still cant capitalize the t.
Now read the blog again to judge what such a government confiscation can achieve.
'casual' references by googling:
http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/rocketschool/20060531.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29
http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/india-the-worlds-richest-economy/
Rex Conrad
Posted at 2012-02-21 13:03:16
"Even if the govt hits a 100% confiscation rate it still cant capitalize the t."
If I'm understanding you correctly, then you're making the assumption that gold's value is measured by the paper price. It's not about the amount of physical gold being able to 'cover' the current debt at $2,000/oz. It's that it can, and would, cover the current debt at $20,000/oz....which is what it would be worth if it was allowed to move as currency, as our Constitution REQUIRES.
Learn to see the paper 'price' of gold for what it is. An artificial construct which does not accurately represent the VALUE of gold.

Kevin Beck
Posted at 2011-09-21 13:08:02
More than anything, this shows why you need to keep your gold in physical form and well hidden. Avoid the paper; it's too easily visible to the prying eyes of the government leeches.

not my name
Posted at 2011-09-22 06:01:22
I can now Guarantee there will be a Gold Confiscation! And that is because Scary Gary says there won't be. Gary North in his website (Here is the link)
http://www.garynorth.com/public/8517.cfm
Here is a guy who makes prediction after prediction and mostof them turn out to be wrong! I do like Gary because he is a GOLDMINE! If you ever find a guy who makes prediction after prediction but the vast majority turns out to be wrong, all you need to do is hear what he has to say and then bet the opposite.
First several things
It won't be called Confiscation!
Second, we have had gold confiscation and a lot more recent than Roosevelt robbery in 1933. The shutdown of Liberty Gold by the government and IRS last year was such a confiscation. The law used to shut down liberty was the same law created and used to shut down the several private mints at the turn of the century and also in the mid-1800 after the Californian Gold rush and private mints were created to handle the needfor coin the gold.
Third, the government will have to confiscate. It would not be very efficient but since we do have mercenary armies like Blackwater, if there is hyper-inflation (Like I think they will be) these mercs will want to be paid in gold like like The Roman senate could not pay their soldeir and mercs with debased coins but had to come up with gold somehow. Even if there is gold in Fort Knox, the government will try to grab every bit of gold and silver they can from their citizens.
I believe confiscation will not take place in the article. No the President isn't going to make an announcement. Here is how I think it will happen. There will be a fincinal crisis where they will close the banks declaring a bank holiday. The moment the banks are closed, the government will open the safe deposit boxes. They will seize and gold or siler in those boxes. Next they will go for the customer records of coin shops, the gold coins sales of ebay and other places they thought of looking.
With those records they will have a clue as to who might have gold hidden at home. They will come knocking on your door and give a false pretense ordering you to evaluate. And you will be force to go whether you want to or not. I heard they built a lot of nice FEMA camps for you and other possible trouble-makers. With you out your house, they can take their sweet time searching all over your home for hidden gold. Just ask any victim of the drug war how their house were trashed in the search for drugs and there weren't any. No, they won't find much, but how much illegal drugs arefound in comparsion to the total amount of drugs being brought in, but they do find enough drugs to have their pitures in the paper bragging how they are winning the war on drugs. The same will be true of any gold they seize.
Stebro
Posted at 2011-10-04 03:08:28
I can now Guarantee there will be a Gold Confiscation! And that is because Scary Gary says there won't be. Gary North in his website (Here is the link)
http://www.garynorth.com/public/8517.cfm
Here is a guy who makes prediction after prediction and mostof them turn out to be wrong! I do like Gary because he is a GOLDMINE! If you ever find a guy who makes prediction after prediction but the vast majority turns out to be wrong, all you need to do is hear what he has to say and then bet the opposite.
First several things
It won't be called Confiscation!
Second, we have had gold confiscation and a lot more recent than Roosevelt robbery in 1933. The shutdown of Liberty Gold by the government and IRS last year was such a confiscation. The law used to shut down liberty was the same law created and used to shut down the several private mints at the turn of the century and also in the mid-1800 after the Californian Gold rush and private mints were created to handle the needfor coin the gold.
Third, the government will have to confiscate. It would not be very efficient but since we do have mercenary armies like Blackwater, if there is hyper-inflation (Like I think they will be) these mercs will want to be paid in gold like like The Roman senate could not pay their soldeir and mercs with debased coins but had to come up with gold somehow. Even if there is gold in Fort Knox, the government will try to grab every bit of gold and silver they can from their citizens.
I believe confiscation will not take place in the article. No the President isn't going to make an announcement. Here is how I think it will happen. There will be a fincinal crisis where they will close the banks declaring a bank holiday. The moment the banks are closed, the government will open the safe deposit boxes. They will seize and gold or siler in those boxes. Next they will go for the customer records of coin shops, the gold coins sales of ebay and other places they thought of looking.
With those records they will have a clue as to who might have gold hidden at home. They will come knocking on your door and give a false pretense ordering you to evaluate. And you will be force to go whether you want to or not. I heard they built a lot of nice FEMA camps for you and other possible trouble-makers. With you out your house, they can take their sweet time searching all over your home for hidden gold. Just ask any victim of the drug war how their house were trashed in the search for drugs and there weren't any. No, they won't find much, but how much illegal drugs arefound in comparsion to the total amount of drugs being brought in, but they do find enough drugs to have their pitures in the paper bragging how they are winning the war on drugs. The same will be true of any gold they seize.
If you are going to make a blanket condemnation of Gary North's advice - you owe it to him and to us to be specific. Tell what he has predicted that has been wrong.

Lee K.
Posted at 2011-09-22 06:32:34
One of foremost followers of gold and money has written a rebuttal to this article:
http://www.garynorth.com/public/8517.cfm
I hope and believe he's right. Gradual inflation and continuation of the status quo is the more likely scenario. Confiscation of all the gold is about as likely as confiscation of all the drugs.






David Treloar
Posted at 2011-09-20 02:56:22
This article makes a good case for geographic diversification. Very thought proving keep the articles coming and spread the information. Knowlege is power, Knowlege plus action gives you an unfair advantage. Bring it on.
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